
We had a visit at work today from a "Business Analyst" from the illustrious George S. May "business consulting" firm.
He said, "I've just got two forms for you to fill out here. Should only take a few minutes."
We had just been talking about getting more rigorous with our scheduling, so I happened to have a very full and detailed schedule for the day.
"OK," I said. "When do you need these?"
"Today."
"But do you see all of that orange on my calendar? See how it fills up the whole day? That stuff is billable...this," I said, pointing to the questionnaire, "is not billable. So it comes later."
He was annoyed. But it got strange when I asked about an NDA. Was one in place between our company and his? My question was answered with a blank stare.
"A Non-Disclosure Agreement...A secrecy agreement. Do we have one in place with your company?"
"No, we don't do that. I'm bonded at Five-Hundred Thousand Dollars."
Now I gave him the blank look. What does bonding have to do with confidentiality, I wonder. He blathered on about how we wouldn't reveal a single one of his clients, even though they loved him and his services so much.
So I got up and asked our Company Comptroller. He's our main contracts guy, but he usually doesn't piddle around with little NDAs. Mr. Comptroller was concerned enough about the NDA, too. "If he doesn't want to sign one, we'll just write him his check and he can go."
Then the "Business Consultant" made the mistake of double-checking. He called his office, and learned that yes, they do sign NDAs. I wonder if he even realized that it made him look foolish. If he had not checked, but rather just stuck to his story, then we would have believed that his company really doesn't do NDAs -- even as weird as that seems.
Fortunately, though, it was too late. He'd annoyed Mr. Comptroller.
But I feel bad now -- we've ruined it for the next guys. At his next engagement as a "Business Consultant", he'll know what an NDA is, and it won't be quite so convenient to get rid of him.
Update, 2008 November 19: Feel free to comment on your experiences with George S. May International. But just stick with the facts. Many comments have been made here GSMIC that I cannot verify because they were posted anonymously; so I decided to remove comments that make unverifiable claims. There have been many anonymous, unverifiable allegations against GSMIC:
- Allegations of Aggressive sales techniques
- Allegations of Rude behavior
- Allegations of inefficient use of technology (e.g., use of handheld calculator instead of computer spreadsheet)
- Allegations of long contracts and work agreements, strict adherance to the contract, and unwillingness to terminate the agreement verbally
- Allegations that GSMIC revises their estimates (e.g., the first estimate was for $1000, but the second estimate makes that $20,000)
- Allegations that GSMIC verifies the client's cash position and available liquid credit (i.e., how much money is in the bank, and how much is available on credit cards).
- Allegations that GSMIC's travel reimbursement and travel policies for their staff are difficult
There's nothing illegal about high-pressure sales or having high prices! Here are some common sense guidelines for hiring any consultant:
- When you hire a consultant, YOU ALONE are accepting responsibility for the quality of the work they produce.
- Don't sign anything without reading it and fully understanding it. And there's no reason to rush through it; give yourself an hour for each page of the document to really think about it. And if you need to amend the document to clarify certain things -- like the maximum you agree to pay -- then just add a new page and make all parties sign the amendment.
- Just know that hiring any consultant can be extremely expensive. I think some people are shocked if they've never hired a consultant outside a lawyer or an accountant. How expensive are consultants? Think about attorneys fees for some estimates.
- If you expect the use of certain skills -- such as using a computer spreadsheet to do calculations, etc. -- then you need to say so in your contact document.
- Interview any consultant extensively before you hire them. For example, if they claim to have experience in your industry, then quiz them about your industry. Make them demonstrate that experience.
- Plan to spend all your time with any consultant while he's at your site, working on your project. Make that a requirement of the scope-of-work contract.
- Ensure that the contract says how to terminate the agreement. For example, if you want to be able to verbally request termination, then say so. If you only want to pay for a pro-rata share of the day (e.g., hourly billing), then you need to be sure that's in the agreement.
- If you must reimburse for travel expenses, then set limits on the acceptable travel costs. You also have a right, and in the US a responsibility, to collect receipts for all travel expenses. If you are audited, then you may be asked to demonstrate that the travel expense costs were reasonable. So you SHOULD get copies of every single receipt you are asked to pay.
You cannot use this blog to say things that are false or deceptively misleading. To that end, I need a way to verify that your statements are true, so you must identify yourself in your comment. I won't provide a forum for publishing false or deceptively-misleading comments, but if you have real concerns and factual statements, I hope you'll post.
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10 comments:
I was thinking of taking a job with company and would like feed back from any former or current employees. It seems shady to me. Thanks!
Wow..I just received a phone call today from one of their recruiters wanting me to interview for a sales job w/ them. I am so glad I have not called them back and I did some investigation first. All of you truly saved me a potentially detrimental job change.
The Internet is great! We had two very rude men come into our office today asking for the "owners". When our office manager tried to explain they needed to have an appointment, they just said "tell them that George S. May is here". Well, I had never heard of George S. May so we told the office manager to let them know we were not available. After they left, I googled them and found this blog. Thank you all very much.
My husband/sweetheart/soulmate and I owned three businesses. After the involvement of George S. May, the businesses are struggling and close to financial ruin. The struggles/ruin are nothing, nothing, nothing compared to the ruin of my husband. He took his life, October 7, 2008. I know for a fact the distress he was feeling due to the financial stress brought on by the tactics of this firm. I believe with every fiber of my being this would not have happened if he did not succumb to the strong arm methods. I welcome, invite, ask for comments and those who have had negative experiences. Together we can do something about this. Let's come together. I am committed to bring honor to my husband. Please help. lpeppler2@comcast.net
I just did a survey with a George S. May analyst and found it to be very beneficial. I am on the fence about using their services beyond this. They did come highly recommended to my but reading this I don't know. I can say their survey is very safe and actually very informative...and I've been in business 22 years. I guess every tree may have a bad apple but I have had a good experience with them so far.
I have done business with George S May and I will tell you they are a reputable firm who saved my business from bankruptcy. I know the company well having used them and think they deserve some great credit. They have literally more then a half million clients with a very high customer satisfaction ratio, as well many famous clients. Keep up the great work George May and for those you need help as a business owner do not hesitate to call them.
They just came to my workplace. He wouldn't even slow down for me to take notes...I told him I need to do some stuff and he basically told me that this is more important than to do the jobs that need to be done. He was really rude and didnt finish his job.
This might be a little off-topic, but should give you a sense of what kind of company George S. May is:
An "analyst" from George S. May visited my place of employment last week. I smelled a rat at soon as I heard that an "efficiency expert" was on the premises. Everything about him had my con-dar screaming, as if I'd just walked into a used-car and encyclopedia salesman convention. No credentials of any kind were ever presented, and his authority was based strictly on an obvious form letter he'd had the boss sign.
He had us employees fill out a hokey, unprofessional-looking questionnaire that had been edited by hand, and took way longer than the 10 mins he said it would. It did not ask anything about employee satisfaction: Lo and behold, the next day he told the boss that 91% of us were dissatisfied, and ready to leave the company. (Say what???-That was news to us!!) He must have failed his mind-reading class to come up with that little factoid, because I doubt very much that he could infer that result from his little questionnaire.
Also, allegedly the company was about to go under, according to the analyst, unless the boss was to sign a contract with George S. May -right then and there- in order to "save" the company (for just the small fee of all our available cash, and signing away control of the company :o ). Oh, and furthermore, he said the boss was a terrible manager (in spite of our steady growth over the past 5 years), and was a bad person to just allow the company to fail like this, when help from the Venerable George S May Consulting Firm was at hand. But, it was Now Or Never (Umm, excuse me? Are you serious? Who in their right mind can't see though that high-pressure sales tactic?).
Their high pressure sales tactics alone should be enough to scream "SCAM!" to anyone unfortunate enough to be subjected to it. Don't fall for it!
Do not let these people enter your premises, and above all, don't sign anything with them without a lawyer's advice. He would not take no for an answer and would not leave. Their "analyst" had to be shown the door under threat of calling for police escort! He tried every under-handed dirty trick in the book to get my boss to sign a contract with them, including psychological duress to the point of causing tears!
Search the web for some insight into their tactics if you don't believe me. Their tactics and business practices disgust me even more after doing a little internet research on this consulting firm. Almost all of the bad stuff I've read has been bourne out by my company's experience with this firm.
Phil Costalef (if that is even your real name), you should be ashamed of yourself and the company you work for. Go get a real job, and reclaim some self-respect.
Sincerely,
eastvan's wife
PS, I have never signed any confidentiality agreement with George S. May, nor the company I work for, and hereby report my experiences and opinions freely and without any coaching of any kind. [Just in case any of George S. May's legal-beagles read this and want to pull any legal trickery with this website, myself, or the company I work for ;) ]
I worked for George for 2 years amd pretty much know everything about how they work.
Whatever you do don't work for them and don't hire them. The have a desire to make you more money alright, so they can take it. I worked for them, their training was appalling at how they directed us in doing whatever it took to "get the go", they are completely unethical!!! They also treat you like garbage; if you don't do the right thing you're abused in a disrespectful way. And YES, it is very difficult getting your money and travel reimbursemnet out of them, not to mention the way they bounce you around and the expectations they put on you are beyond ridiculous!!!!
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